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Life, make no demands of me, I'm trying to write. Begone, oh distracting list of Miranda.

I've just finished reading a very good book by Frank Herbert. It's called "The Santaroga Barrier". For the first 20 pages or so, I misread it as Saratoga for some reason. Were I Jeremy, I would write something deep and meaningful about it and the thoughts about society, individuals, and all the other issues it brings up (including drugs). Unfortunately, I am not Jeremy - I am Ann-Mi, and a tired Ann-Mi at that.

Instead, I shall present you with a problem that might be from a soap opera. It is likely on the bland side, but it is nevertheless one I am struggling with. I hope no one involved objects to me presenting it here - I just wanted a fresh point of view. I know it's rather long, but I appreciate any and all feedback offered. And thus begins the rant.

This is my dilemma. I have been invited to travel to London at the end of November with two friends. Unfortunately, one of these friends is my most recent ex-boyfriend. Now, we have been 'ex' for a while now... I don't really know how long, but over two years at least, I think. I have met him since then, however. We remained exes then as well, although we got along very well.

Both of these friends are people I have not seen in a long time that I used to spend far more time with, usually conversing with or playing games with over the net. So you can understand that I have a deep longing to see them both. One of them especially remains a friend I talk with and debate with on a weekly or at least a semi-weekly basis. Finally, there is the aspect of England. Having studied there for three years, I have managed to develop a bi-faceted relationship with it. Is that a word? I don't know. I guess I should say "love-hate" relationship, but that feels far too intimate when it is mostly only an acquaintance, not a country that I have had a meaningful relationship with.
Ah. I'm cycling off. What I meant to say is that I would very much love to see the damned place again. Another argument for visiting would be the time period - Friday to Sunday, which are the days that I do not work, so in that sense it would not interfere with my "other life" here in Finland.

Now, I present to you the big argument against travel - it would make Eyal vastly uncomfortable. It would make him worried that I would be traveling with an ex-boyfriend, and this one in particular, as he is "the big one". Judging by how much I have spoken of him to Eyal, I agree. It must be the big one (no offense to previous boyfriends) or at least it currently is the big one as it is also the most fresh.

However, the fact that he is who he is is part of what makes me so ineffably convinced that nothing would happen. I've tried it, I've tested the ice, I fell in, I drowned, but somehow I survived. I do not wish to do it again. Unless some rather significant things about him were to change, it could not work. There is this old cliché that in order to love someone else, you must love yourself. In order to know someone else, you must know yourself. In order to be happy with someone else, you must.. and so on. I think it holds true in this case.

Don't get me wrong - I still care about him as much as I used to. I really do. If something were to happen to him, I would be crushed - it would be like losing a family member. But I feel the same way about the one who came before him as well, and I do not wish or harbor any dreams of anything coming from this person either any longer, and not for a long while now.

I'm very happy with Eyal. I feel, oh forgive me for the unimaginative but clichéd term, "complete" with him. It may be a worn out term, but it is true. I'm not going to start babbling like some love-struck idiot, but I have to make the point. The truth is, I do not want to lose him. He assures me that if I did travel, I wouldn't lose him - he would just feel very nervous until I got back.

I talked with one of the women I work with. She said I should travel. Eyal should be able to trust me. Eyal assures me that he trusts me, but that he does not trust my ex. I want Eyal to understand that nothing will happen - I don't want anything to happen and even if my ex did want something to happen, I'm not going to give it the chance. There will be no stupid nonsense like sharing rooms. I will not allow any kissing to occur, except possibly on the cheek in generic Portuguese politeness, but if he gets jealous from that, we have a problem in any case. (Sorry, Eyal! Good thing I don't live in France, you would have turned emerald by now if this bothers you.) There will certainly be a hello-hug and a goodbye-hug, but there will be no kinky back-rubs. There will also be a certain mutual friend traveling along for whom I have never harbored any kinky feelings (sorry J, even if you are the LotR champ, you're not geeky enough for me). So he will be there as an apron.
My work-buddy also said that if I have the faintest suspicion that I will be randomly snogging this ex, then there is no reason I should be going.

Now, I can only think of one more argument for not going in addition to the rather huge one of causing considerable discomfort and stress to Eyal - the onbringing of possible confusion. This is a reason I find rather hard to accept, as I am convinced I do NOT feel confused - I know where my heart is set, I know what my mind wants. The defense against this would be to give myself no reason to get into confusing situations. The biggest, most drastic measure, of course, would be to not travel. But seriously, am I supposed to live the rest of my life without meeting one of my best friends? It seems very harsh. I don't like it - it makes me sad. But the thought of hurting Eyal also makes me unhappy.

My heart and brain are in turmoil. I want Eyal to understand... I want myself to understand.. One of us has to make a compromise - I'm ready to make it, and I think he is too, but I don't want it to boil down to not traveling.

09:13 - 9.10.2007 - post comment

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*scratches head* I think that's Eyal presented his point in a very mature manner (btw, hi Eyal! *waves*). I suspect that I would feel exactly the same. Tbh, I don't really have an advice. Seeing old friends is definitely somethng to look forward to. Sorry, I'm useless here....

bitzky - 06:26 - 10.10.2007


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Hm I can only come up with one advice...but to be honest I think you already have taken up that advice even without me given it yet hehe.

And that is being open and honest to each other. But seems you already did that. You made it clear you want to be with Eyal and not with the ex boyfriend. Also you been honest about it you didn't hide it he is your ex and that you were invited to travel with him.Some people would do that you didn't. Eyal been honest as well saying that he will feel nervous. But he probably don't want to deny you of your friendships either I suspect.

It also comes down to trust I guess. Trust I think you two are able to give each other, in this case Eyal trusting you. Which off course is easier said then done. But I think Eyal can handle that =)

And if you affraid to hurt Eyal by going...I suspect you would make him feel guilty if you would deny yourself spending time with friends on his expance (spelled right?)

Only one last point I guess. Also be honest to the ex boy friend. Make sure you don't raise any false expectations by accident.

Seems to me..that after test one of spending time together alone last summer...this will be big test two...I am quite sure you two will pass it.

Hope this advice is of any use to you two.

Friendly huggles to you both,
Alex



Alex aka Lexius - 12:33 - 11.10.2007


my 2 cents

nuts and bolts ............. if you want to come here, do it.

if you trust yourself, and your former boy friends intentions to be platonic - come over.

if the current bf isn't happy - screw him (in the non sexual and slightly derisory way for him lacking trust in you).

(if you want to sneak off for 5 mins while here for coffee, by all means drop me a line)


i really can't think of much more to add - you want to see friends, ain't nothing to it but to do it.

wozza - 04:48 - 12.10.2007


Steam-roller

*looks up*

*blinks*

Is it me or did a steam-roller just barged by?

And stop talking about eyal and screwing...you putting bad mental image's in my head....

*coughs*

<3 to Eyal and Ann-mi. =)

Alex aka Lexius - 10:18 - 12.10.2007


:)

Thankees for ze advice. I can't believe even a single person read enough of that long rant to give it, but I am amazed and grateful nevertheless.
Alright, I'm coming then. I'm gonna get me my ticket tomorrow. YARRR! Sure, I'd love to meet up but it will have to be hot chocolate for me as I'm not a fan of coffee.

I shall not be screwing Eyal in a non-sexual and slightly derisory way, as we talked, he slept on it, and feels less stressed about it now (though he is still having weird dreams apparently.)

Alex, there is nothing wrong with screwing + Eyal in one sentence! *gives you lots more bad images*

annmi - 10:26 - 12.10.2007


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if Eyal has had a change of heart then the advice given with regard to his derision is null, and i'm glad he is seeing sense.

there are many places to have good hot chocolate :-)

wozza - 01:30 - 13.10.2007


Just to add.

I might have understood you wrong a little Wozza. But just to add I don't found Eyal's reaction that strange. It would at least make me slighty nervous too if I had a girlfriend who would go an travel to meet and spend time with an ex.

Also it seemed to me it was ann-mi herself who was considering of not going to spare Eyal nervousness. And that it wasn't Eyal telling her she couldn't.

And to make it clear and prevent misunderstandings as far as I could see it I think both ann-mi and Eyal handled the situation quite well. And I hope it works out for the both of them.

Alex aka Lexius - 01:38 - 15.10.2007


lexius -

The tone of my original comment may not have been clear - it wasn't abusive to Eyal (who i've never met and will asume he's a lovely fellah).
I was trying to re-enforce to annmi that it was her decsion and his jealousy/discomfort was his own and shouldn't affect her wanting to go.

I have remained friends with an ex - and have been in similar situations to annmi, i have seen both sides of this fence. I would not stand in the way of any girlfriend of mine seeing a friend - if i couldn't trust her to do that i doubt i would be in that relationship.
If i were uneasy that would be atleast partially rested by knowing she was meeting someone else as well.

Like i say, i mean no ill-will to Eyal, and my suggestion was light hearted that he be scorned.

W

wozza - 01:17 - 16.10.2007


Defensive

Perhaps I got slightly defensive as I know Eyal a bit.

Anyway I can agree with you on some level. I agree that if you in a relationship you shouldn't deny your patner to spend time with his or her friends.

However when it comes this friend being an ex I don't think you should take no regard of your partner and just go without talking it over and 'screw' him as you called it.

It needs some compromise and understanding from both sides I believe. And not one way traffic like...'I am going to meet my ex and that's final screw you'

As it seemed you suggested in your first post. But anyway I do agree when you say you shouldnt deny your partner his or her friends.


Lex - 11:42 - 16.10.2007


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Have fun and don't let the relationship thing overshadow the trip.

Your new blog logo rrrRRAAAAaaawwwks! :-)

thyme - 02:32 - 19.10.2007


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